Dev-Artist-page-reorg-work-pre-sep-2007

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PLEASE NOTE!

THIS IS WORK IN PROGRESS. IT IS ALSO NOT CURRENT. NONE OF THIS IS OFFICIAL, OR GUARANTEED TO HAPPEN! It may also be out of date and needing revised to meet current guidelines, methods, and thinking!

--Nik 04:03, 12 September 2007 (PDT)

Once again I have to request that you add -- at bare minimum -- the country of release for each entry on the Artist page. Many of the artists I collect might have a half-dozen or more different releases with the same title, format, label and year -- particularly for singles, where you have multiple issues with significantly different contents (UK CD1, UK CD2, US CD, German CD, etc.). Finding a particular release in the listing is currently a major pain in the ass.

--Lazlo 11:48, 22 September 2007 (PDT)

- Releases (stays as it is)
-- Tracks Appear On (stays as it is)
-- Remixes (stays as it is) - Do we want to seperate out releases where ALL the tracks are remixed by the same individual? http://help.discogs.com/ticket/2070
-- Featuring (this feature is under discussion and may be removed)
-- Unofficial Releases (stays as it is)
-- DJ Mixes (stays as it is) (rule changed, a DJ Mix artist CAN be a main artist, system parses out all DJ Mix credits from the 'Releases' section and puts them in the DJ Mix section)

- Instruments
-- etc. (all instrument credits go here)

- Vocals
-- etc. (all vocal credits go here)

- Production
-- Producer
-- Co-producer
-- Compilation Producer

- Writing and Arrangement
-- Compiled By
-- Composed By
-- Music By
-- Programmed By
-- Written-By

- Technical
-- Edited By
-- Engineer
-- Mastered By
-- Mixed By
-- Recorded By
-- Technician

- Non-musical
-- etc.

- Unindexed (is kept for all new roles before they are indexed, renamed from Appears On)

RULES

DJ Mix - All releases that are DJ Mixes must be credited as such AND marked as 'Mixed' using the format description

Composer, Orchestra, Conductor Credits - All releases where these artists are the main artist or one of the main artists MUST give a relevant credit in the credit section

Front cover credits - All credits given on the front cover of a release must be added to the credit section (for example featured musicians)

Featuring - All releases where the artist are the main artist or one of the main artists MUST give a relevant credit in the credit

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With an eye to dealing with the issues in http://help.discogs.com/ticket/1466, this is an outline of proposed changes to the way the artist pages are organized. The issues are display issues only, and so don't affect the way information is entered. This means that it is easy to tweak the changes to optimize the display, although ideally we would try to get it right first time.

* All self-credits should be either listed separately from other credits or marked out by using the following rule: IF the artist name on the main artist credit = the artist name on any other credit on that release (there are exceptions, see [#artist_page_headings below]), THEN list in a separate section on the Artists Page Heading. For example, the Production heading will also have a Self-Production heading for releases that agree with the above rule.

* For the purposes of defining self-credits, 'Artist' includes any Alias, AKA, or In Groups.

* Where credits are rolled into one Artists Page Heading (for example the proposed Instruments and Vocals), the list should contain the first 25 characters of the actual credit/s given on the release, for example on this artist page http://www.discogs.com/artist/Klaus Roeder would have:

* Combined credits are always dealt with separately.

* Introduce named anchors for Artists Page Headings, for example http://www.discogs.com/artist/Klaus Roeder#instruments_and_vocals

* "Artists Page Heading" refers to the headings such as 'Remixes', 'Production', 'Appears On' etc on any artist page. Some of these will stay the same, and some will change in this update. The following is a proposed list for how these will change, and the proposed new groupings (for example Instruments and Vocals). All current credits listed at http://help.discogs.com/wiki/SubmissionGuidelinesCreditList will be indexed and included in this update.

* The mechanics of the display of these credits is not dealt with here, but some options are: a) keep the display as it is i.e. one big list, b) hide some of the list (for example Technical credits), and have a link to another page, c) hide some of the list, and display them using HTML once an icon is clicked, d) hide some of the list, and display them using AJAX (the same method as used for the new submission form) dynamically on the same page. Although this can be changed later, it will be advantageous to discuss the merits of each and decide on which to use before the changes are coded by teo.

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Proposed new 'Artist Page Headings' list

- Releases (stays as it is)
- Tracks Appear On (stays as it is)
- Remixes (stays as it is) - Do we want to seperate out releases where ALL the tracks are remixed by the same individual? http://help.discogs.com/ticket/2070
- Remixed by other artists - This is a new section, to be derived from tracks which have a 'Remixed By' credit applied to them.
- Featuring (REMOVED)
- Unofficial Releases (stays as it is)
- DJ Mixes (stays as it is)

- Instrument and Vocal performance (all credits in the instrument and vocals list)
-- etc. (instruments and vocals list goes here)

- Instrument and Vocal performance on own releases (all credits where the artist with the instrument and vocals credit is the same as the main artist)
-- etc. (instruments and vocals list goes here)

- Production
-- Producer
-- Co-producer
-- Compilation Producer

- Self-Production (all credits where the artist with the production credit is the same as the main artist)
-- Producer
-- Co-producer
-- Compilation Producer

- Technical
-- Edited By
-- Engineer
-- Mastered By
-- Mixed By
-- Recorded By
-- Technician

- Technical credits on own releases (all credits where the artist with the credit is the same as the main artist)
-- Edited By
-- Engineer
-- Mastered By
-- Mixed By
-- Recorded By
-- Technician

- Writing and Arrangement
-- Compiled By
-- Composed By
-- Music By
-- Programmed By

- Writing and Arrangement on own releases (all credits where the artist with the credit is the same as the main artist)
-- Compiled By
-- Composed By
-- Music By
-- Programmed By

- Non-musical (no need to separate out self credits?)
-- etc.

- Appears On (is kept for all new roles before they are indexed)

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The following are two credit lists that are derived from http://help.discogs.com/wiki/SubmissionGuidelinesCreditList to help illustrate the groupings for the proposed new artists page headings. The instruments are in a separate list for clarity. The artist page headings are as broad as possible. There may be some tweaks to do to this list, some credits are hard to place. Specifically, 'Compilation Producer' under 'Production', 'Programmed By' under 'Writing and Arrangement', and 'Compiled By' under 'Writing and Arrangement' are probably all contentious, there may be better ideas for headings to place these under. It could also be argued that all the credits under technical are really part of the production process, and should just go under 'Production' (using production in the broad sense e.g. making a product).